Weird Studies/a note on Yarvin

30 Oct 2022 - 30 Oct 2022
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    • A contribution to a Discord discussion on politics. Thought this articulated some things I keep trying to pin down. (see neoreaction)
      • (note: I've got no interest in starting a vanilla political debate here, so I'm not directly responding to the question of whether Yarvin is or is not terrible or should or should not be cancelled, etc)
      • I must say I'm surprised to see the opinion that discourse and material power are separate here (although I know there must be a wide diversity of views). One of the things attracting me weird-wards is the realization that the old-school liberalism that I grew up with is just false in many respects, and one of those its its model of free speech. The liberal idea is that speech and discourse is highly separable from action and power, so you can let all manner of ideas be debated in the speech-sphere and hopefully the good ones will win out due to rationality and make it into the sphere of action.
      • But this is entirely wrong, and its particularly wrong for political speech, which is always aimed at producing some kind of power shift in the real world. Political speech is not about ideas, its about the political strength of people and coalitions. Everybody kind of knows this, too, except a few naive intellectuals.
      • And it's particularly wrong when it comes to fascism, which attacks the liberal and rational basis of society. Fascism doesn't operate on ideas; and the Trumpian form of fascism is explcitly designed to allow people to express their feelings without regard to any ground truths, which are dismissed as "fake news".
      • Liberalism doesn't really know how to defend itself against these toxic ideas, given its metaphysics. I view all the cancellation brou-ha-ha as kind of a weak immune response of liberal civilization against an invasive and potentially fatal disease. Like a biological immune response, it can go too far and cause more damage than it prevents.
      • Also I would think that all the weirdness at the margins of the Trump phenomena (Kek, meme magic, the Qanon cult, and the connections Yarvin and Nick Land) would be topics of great interest here. Maybe it's too unpleasant to think of how weird shit is being weaponized by malignant forces, but probably not good idea to ignore it either.