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  • Weird Studies

    • Weird Studies/Gebser

    01 Apr 2022 - 17 Jun 2023
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      • Name comes up a lot. An. "integralist" philosopher, I have to admit that sets off my hackles. But I'm trying to overcome them. Other people in that sphere: Ken Wilber, Teilhard de Chardain, Carl Jung, William Irwin Thompson.
      • Integralism ≡ holism ≡ soulism and I reject it, except, I also seem to long for it or something, which is why I find myself hanging out with magicians and occultists even if I can't bring myself to share their beliefs. Or to some extent maybe I feel I've just exhausted what materialism | postmodernism | nihilism can do for me, and in despair turning to what I have rejected.
        • Will say this for the WS people is that they bring a deep sense of reflection and irony to religious subjects. Not snark-irony, but playful-distance-irony. That's very attractive, or resonant, or whatever. They are extremely sharp but in ways that I tend to undervalue.
      • Perspecitivalism self and modernism.
      • "Structures of Consciousness" McLuhan connection.
      • Are structures linear, historical, developing, or just alternatives that are always available? Multilayered, like an organism (or software layers in my own parlance).
      • Clock time accelerates and breaks the perspectival world (this sounds very much like Technic and Magic story).
      • The integral is time freedom (achronon) ??? Untimely, not as eternity but leaving the time dimension entirely...Nietzsche...Bergson's subjective time. "Quintessence of time" is time reclaimed for the subject. Spatialization of time.
      • JFM spiel at around 28:00 damn I felt like I almost got what he was talking about there for a second. Hm. I have no problem from intellectual level distinguishing between spatialized, measured, clock-based time and subjective time, time as experience. But I feel like he's making some larger point about these things that I just don't quite get, that the clock time is harmful, inimical to personal time and must be fought at some level.
        • That also I don't have any problem believing: I'm very fortunate to have a good job where I can largely manage my own time, but I think of those poor Below the API Amazon workers or Uber drivers, with their every instant tracked and subjected to judgement. They are truly being reduced to machinery, at some really deep level, and it's offensive. They are slaves of the clock and there needs to be a rebellion. (well today (April 1 2022)was a rare successful union vote of Amazon workers).
      • aperspectival works, Joyce and Picasso
      • OK, the discussion around 35:00 or so got way the fuck too into the abstract for me to follow. Something was unfolding, but you don't want to think of it as development because that's bad somehow (because it's too linear and spatialized maybe?). Anyway they lost me here.
      • JFM ideology, magic (for instance) has been outlawed by modernism and needs to be restored. Not to discard modernism, but to bring back what it rejected.
      • But you can't synthesize them dialectically, you have combine them "integrally". I have no idea what that means. Wilber is too perspectival?
      • The arational as presence.
      • Negative Dialectics – Perspectival claims upper hand over other, not A, not B, not A+B, but ... neither A nor B, beyond any of the settled positions. Thought not enough to get you there, you need something experiential like meditation. I'm down with this program.
      • So what is neither perspictival nor unperspcetivale? Equates to satori.
      • Cultivating a deepened sense of presence.
      • Intensifying the presence of art through practices. Quiddity. Long Viewing.
      • That word sustasis (?) they keep using...when the object gazes back.
      • Getting a wink back from the dark...discovering the other through a nonrational communion.
      • Always a latent faculty in us for this stuff. Dōgen ref. Story about the Age of Degenerate Law and the rise of Pure Land Buddhism, which was new to me. Dogen's model of time, as awakening , as atemporal.
      • Ever-present origin, its atemporal somehow, orthogonal to everything. Integrality can spring forth....the presence of origin. It wants to realize itself in us...something compels us to realize the whole, we can't avoid it, we already participate in it.
      • It is our intent to furnish evidence that the aperspectival world, whose nascence we are witnessing, can liberate us from the superannuated legacy of both the unperspectival and the perspectival worlds. In very general terms we might say that the unperspectival world preceded the world of mind- and ego-bound perspective discovered and anticipated in late antiquity and first apparent in Leonardo's application of it. Viewed in this manner the unperspectival world is collective, the perspectival individualistic. That is, the unperspectival world is related to the anonymous "one" or the tribal "we," the perspectival to the "I" or Ego; the one world is grounded in Being, the other, beginning with the Renaissance, in Having; the former is predominantly irrational, the later rational.