nonduality

30 Oct 2021 - 30 Aug 2025
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    • Seems positively dangerous to me. A mind-destroying ideas as Minsky called them. Thought is based on distinctions and differences, and if you eliminate them you basically eliminate the possibility of cognition.
      • This is called the "but muh distinctions" response.
      • The answer I think is that it isn't about eliminating distinctions (that would itself be dualistic), but recognizing their true nature. As forms they are marked by emptiness. Not quite real and not quite unreal.
      • If you are doing it right, nondualism does not produce mindless catatonia, but rather a more playful and exuberant view on life, as you recognize its true nature.
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      • – from Vimalakirti Sutra which has a whole chapter devoted to declarations like the above.
      • “Nonduality” (advayatva) = “Middle Path” (madhyamapratipat) = freedom from extremes of being and nothingness (antadvayavivarjita). For numerous references, see Lamotte, pp. 301-302, n. 1.
    • Aro - Form, emptiness, and non-duality
      • Nonduality is experienced as the nature of Mind — in which thought and the absence of thought are no longer mutually exclusive. This is ro-gÇig – the one taste.
    • from j Feb 15
      • What is non-duality anyway? | Tom Das
        • Because non-duality points to something that already is here but is not clearly seen, when it is clearly seen the freedom that results is recognised to have always existed. This freedom is not a specific state of mind or a specific way of being but is ever-present regardless of states of body or mind (or environment). It could be said that it is understanding that leads to freedom, but freedom is beyond even understanding, understanding also being something that can come and go. Freedom cannot be put into words, it is unique, ever-present, already here and all that is.
      • Jesus and non-duality | Tom Das
        • In non-dual teachings, the basic teaching is that the sense of self that we presume ourselves to be is a fiction. What remains after this is seen is a mysterious and ordinary sense of ‘divine oneness’. One ramification of this teaching is that we can learn to see that we are not the authors of our own actions even though we appear to be. This is known as non-doership. This teaching is often stated explicitly in non-dual traditions such as Advaita Vedanta, Zen, Dzogchen and Taoism.
      • This was all from Tom Das : nonduality and I wrote a comment
        • I liked that, even though it runs right into self-contradiction (something that is basically impossible to avoid when talking about an idea as elusive as nonduality):
        • Non-duality says we don’t need to fundamentally change anything, we just need to better understand our present situation.
        • Well -- sorry, that is a change. If we "need to better understand our present situation", then hey, things aren't perfect; we are trying to turn ourselves into improved versions rather than actually accepting the way we are now.
        • That's OK. If this was standard western logic, it would all collapse when it contradicted itself, but it is something else. The paradoxical nature of nondualism is a plus, because it reflects a more fundamental aspect of reality than logic.
    • ONE: Essential Writings on Nonduality

      • An anthology, from Kabbalah to The Matrix.
      • Read the Judaism section.
      • Aware of how graspy I am. Really want to take hold of this idea of nonduality, own it, add it to my toolbox. Nuh-uh. Doesn't work that way. So then, I want to sneer at the people who apparently think they can do that (Michael Taft, the author of this volume). Like, I'm pretty sure they have grappled with the contradictions.
    • Crowley says, in The Vision and the Voice: "below the Abyss, contradiction is division; but above the Abyss, contradiction is Unity."
      • – PF from WS
    • Nonduality, David Loy (via Gyrus)
      • The nonduality of seer and seen: there is no philosophical or religious assertion more striking or more counterintuitive, and yet claims that there is such an experience, and that this experience is more veridical than our usual dualistic experience, are not rare in the Western tradition. Similar statements have been made, in equally stirring language, by such important Western mystical fgures as Meister Eckhart, Jakob Boehme, and William Blake, to name only a few. Philosophers have generally been more hesitant about committing themselves so decisively, but a claim regarding the nonduality of subject and object is explicit or implicit within such thinkers as Spinoza, Schelling, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Bergson, and Whitehead—again naming only a few; later I shall argue that similar claims may be found among important contemporary fgures like Nietzsche, Heidegger, and perhaps Wittgenstein.
      • Our normal experience of action is dualistic—there is the sense of an “I” that does the action—because the action is done to obtain a particular result. Corresponding to the usual tripartite division of perception into perceiver, perceived, and the act of perception, there is the agent, the action, and the goal of the action. Parallel to the superimposition of thought on percept, the mental “overlay” of intention also superimposes thought on action and thereby sustains the illusion of a separate agent; but without such thought-superimposition no distinction is experienced between agent and act, or between mind and body. Nondual action is spontaneous (because free from objectifed intention), efortless (because free from a reifed “I” that must exert itself), and “empty” (because one wholly is the action, there is not the dualistic awareness of an action).
      • We might suppose a thinker necessary in order to provide the causal link between various thoughts, to explain how one thought leads to another; but in fact there is no such link.
        • AI-relevant
      • My approach supports the Mahāyāna claim that saṁsāra is nirvana. There is only one reality—this world, right here and now—but this world may be experienced in two diferent ways. Saṁsāra is the relative, phenomenal world as usually experienced, which is delusively understood to consist of a collection of discrete objects (including “me”) that interact causally in space and time. Nirvana is that same world but as it is in itself, nondually incorporating both subject and object into a whole.
        • The "supports claim" language above made me roll my eyes, but OK
      • The nondual experience subverts the ground of the ethical problem, both by denying the existence of the ontological ego and, more radically, by challenging all moral codes as deluding superimpositions.
        • OK I might have trouble with this. Ethics-eliminativism sounds just wrong to me.