eigensin

22 Feb 2023 - 09 Nov 2026
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    • A really base-level badness, the kind of thing that underlies so much misery and wrongness.
      • pride
        • In christian theology this is the root of all other sins, eli5
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            • Pride as the Root of All Sin (ELI5)

            • In Christian theology, pride is considered the foundational sin — the one that makes all other sins possible. Here's why:
            • The core idea: Pride is putting yourself at the center of everything, believing your own desires, judgment, and will matter more than God's (or anyone else's). It's the belief that you are the most important thing in the universe.
            • The origin story: The concept comes from the fall of Lucifer. He was an angel — perfect, powerful, close to God — but he decided he deserved to be God, or at least not answer to him. That act of cosmic self-elevation is pride in its purest form. Then the same thing happens with Adam and Eve: the serpent tempts them not with food, but with the idea that they can "be like God" — deciding for themselves what is good and evil, rather than trusting God's authority.
            • Why it underlies everything else:
            • You lie because your comfort or reputation matters more than the truth.
            • You're greedy because your desires matter more than others' needs.
            • You're lustful because your appetites override other people's dignity.
            • You're wrathful because your sense of being wronged justifies cruelty.
            • Every sin, in this framework, is essentially saying: "My will over Thine." Pride is the engine running underneath all of them.
            • Augustine put it simply: pride is love of self to the point of contempt for God. It's the inversion of the proper order — where God is center and self is subordinate — flipped so that self becomes the god.
            • The fix, in Christian thinking, is humility — not thinking badly of yourself, but accurately recognizing your place: dependent, finite, and not the center of the universe.
            • That reorientation — from self-centered to God-centered — is essentially what repentance and salvation are structurally about.
      • selfishness (may be ≡ pride)
      • grasping (more of a mechanism than a sin)
      • anger
    • Buddhism has many lists of sins and virtues (or approximations to those Christian concepts). Kleshas (Buddhism) - Wikipedia are bad mental states (like anxiety, envy, etc) that cloud the mind. But there are three"root kleshas" which is is kind of what I am trying to get at, the basic components) These are also known as the Three poisons - Wikipedia: ignorance, attachment, aversion. Those aren't really sins themselves – just basic mental processeses – but you can see how they can produce sinfullness. Eg "pride" is composed out of attachment (to a wrong view of self) and aversion (to insults to that view).
    • I'm sure I am reinventing some Buddhist list (the Christian seven deadlies are pretty good ones as well).
      • Yes, duh, that's the three beasts, the cock, the pig, and the snake...are snakes characteristically angry? Fuck what are those called.
        • ok not quite, the buddhist trio is ignorance (pig) attachment (bird) aversion (snake). Perhaps
        • A helpful chart