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  • I latched onto this term imago from reading A Memory Called Empire, where it meant a specific technology: a digital-neural copy of a personality (usually but not necessarily someone dead) that can be implanted in someone else's brain, and acts as a kind of coach / advisor / mentor figure, with its own agency and personality. The protagonist comes from a small culture that uses imagos to preserve and transmit cultural knowledge.
from A Memory Called Empire
  • I'm not going to summarize the story; but instead will focus on one of the main plot elements, namely imago technology. An imago is a digital-neural copy of a personality (usually but not necessarily someone dead) that can be implanted in someone else's brain, and acts as a kind of coach / advisor / mentor. The protagonist comes from a small culture that uses imagos to preserve and transmit cultural knowledge.
from Weird Studies/Tarot/Death
  • Some talk about how the dead are not really dead, how you can maintain a relationship with them, eg in the case of scholars of long-dead musicians etc. I kind of feel that way about Marvin Minsky; I often find myself arguing with the imago of him that haunts my brain like the ghosts he would refuse to believe in (he does not approve of all this WS paranormal nonsense, to say the least). The post Firing up the Emotion Machine was prompted by his death and addressed the nature of death and of what lives on quite explicitly.
from We are Software
  • Are these representatives like the symbolic structures, or more like Freudian agencies? Both I suppose. But the latter sounds more basic. We internalize voices of parents, not dead facts about them. But the point is, we know there is something like that, even if we can't agree on the right model for it. Imago is one term for these.
from RD Laing
  • talks about imago s:

    • The schizoid individual fears a real live dialectical relationship with real live people. He can relate himself only to depersonalized persons, to phantoms of his own phantasies (imagos) perhaps to things, perhaps to animals. (p77)

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30 Oct 2021 02:15 - 16 Dec 2022 12:22
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    • I latched onto this term imago from reading A Memory Called Empire, where it meant a specific technology: a digital-neural copy of a personality (usually but not necessarily someone dead) that can be implanted in someone else's brain, and acts as a kind of coach / advisor / mentor figure, with its own agency and personality. The protagonist comes from a small culture that uses imagos to preserve and transmit cultural knowledge.
    • The name derives from Jungian psychoanalysis, where of course it was not some kind of brain tech but just something people did, or had. What we would call a mental representation of another person, or a model. Minsky's imprimers seem to be about the same thing.
    • OK, apparently Jung went through a kind of terminological progression:
      • complex → imago → archetype
    • "I have intentionally given primacy to the expression imago over the expression complex, for I wish to endow the psychical fact that I mean to designate by imago, by choosing the technical term, with living independence in the psychic hierarchy, that is, the autonomy that multiple experiences have shown us to be the essential particularity of the complex imbued with affect, and which is cast into relief by the concept of the imago,"
      • – Jung (emph added)
    • RD Laing uses the term, in a mostly perjorative way, as harmful fanatasies that take the place of real relationships, a construct of a "false-self system". This strikes me as naive and I wonder if Jung and others had the same connotation.
    • The 'self whose relatedness to reality is already tenuous becomes less and less a reality-self, and more and more phantasticized as it becomes more and more engaged in phantastic relationships with its own phantoms (imagos).
      • – Divided Self, p85
    • In psychoanalysis, an idealized image of another person, such as a parent, or of an instinctual object, acquired in infancy and maintained in the unconscious (2) in later life. The concept was introduced in 1911 by Carl Gustav Jung (1875–1961), who believed that some imagos are derived from archetypes (2) rather than from personal experiences, and it became a key concept of his analytical psychology. In the writings of the British-based Austrian psychoanalyst Melanie Klein (1882–1960), it is a fantastically distorted picture of the real object on which it is based. See also anima, animus (3), idealization.
    • What I mean (and not at all sure this is a standard usage) is a representation of another person in the mind, but a dynamic one with an inevitable bit of agency of its own.
    • Webster: "an idealized mental image of another person or the self"
    • Is rubberducking a kind of imago? Or an imago seed or something. It is similar in that while it is not the same as having the actual person on hand, it's so often the best we can do...

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