• AMMDI is an open-notebook hypertext writing experiment, authored by Mike Travers aka mtraven. It's a work in progress and some parts are more polished than others. Comments welcome! More.
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from 2021 Year-end review
  • Built out Goddinpotty (renamed from the boring "Static-roam") and this website. Got mistreated by Roam so switched to logseq, which took a lot more energy than I thought it would. Somebody expressed an interest in using it to set up a pretty neat academic anthropology journal site, but that fell through. Lots of little formatting tweaks and adjustments, in particular I hid the hairball diagrams in the left-hand column under an expander, because they were very distracting (and stupid in other ways – if you want to spatialize your knowledge palace, you have to do it in a navigable and stable way).
from logseq/publish
    • Suddenly realized the whole existence of goddinpotty (née static-roam) is based on Roam being a closed-source cloud application that I couldn't hack.
    • So, duh, the right thing is not a completely separate program that publishes in a slow batch mode, but something integrated into Logseq itself and from the user's perspective is working within Logseq.
    • Merge L0
      • They are both open-source Clojure so this seems very doable. Even if you don't merge their codebase, you could have them running in the same JVM, one as a dependency of the other.
    • Merge L1
      • Logseq does its own rendering and parsing so almost all that stuff could be thrown out. What's left?
        • actual publishing
        • search, index-building, other special features
      • Actually this might not be right. Logseq uses React and doesn't generate static HTML. Guess that doesn't matter so much, but complicates things.
from Goddinpotty
  • Goddinpotty is a publishing tool for turning logseq or Roam graphs into static HTML See the source for details. .
from Textiles
from IAnnotate Conference
  • Junyu Zhan (Logseq, the most promising of the Roam clones I've checked out)
    • Privacy first
    • Open source
    • Newish plugin architecture
from RoamAway
  • Tested so far on Logseq but should work with similar PKMs like Obsidian, Athens, and others.
from athens
  • Another Roam workalike, I was initially going to use it instead of Logseq but it had scaling issues.
from About
  • All this hypertext goodness is based on Logseq, a newish note-taking tool which I've recently adopted. It's similar to Roam and was started with Roam, but after a brief fling with that I've decided that I can't use it, and Logseq is the best alternative. Because these new hypertext tools are a bit deficient on publishing tools I rolled my own starting from an existing open source project.
from logseq/issues
    • This is my own notes on what I would like changed or fixed with Logseq. I don't always have the patience to file git tickets or whatnot (but would be happy to do that on request). Many of these are things I could at least in theory fix myself.
    • Usability things

      • (aka, things I would fix immediately if I could, but haven't found the time and hard to know how hard they would be)
      • Multiple windows
        • Wait, it has those, just no menu item...Cmd-N works. WAIT now it doesn't again. It definitely worked for awhile!˜
          • window has no easily-visible title if you are scrolled down.
        • Would be improved if
          • clicking a link went to new window if there was one, o
          • or if the user holds down shift
            • (replacing the current semantics of shift which is open in sidebar)
          • restarts remembered which windows were open (and positions).
      • Saving the last edit position per-page. ARGH. The combination of this and lack of multiple windows makes it extremely clunky compared to Emacs, where you can have as many buffers as you like and they remember where the fuck they were.
      • Selection across blocks seems utterly broken and really has a bad impact on usability for me.
    • Bugs

      • DONE The "show in Finder" and related commands don't work in Electron, and don't even show up in web version (fixed by later version)
      • config editing broke in Electron, works in web
        • kind of serious: I can't get the refresh from local files thing to work right, and I'm starting to wonder about all this mysterious state that I can't even find. Bad design.
      • Org mode causes all kinds of problems; avoid it.
      • Blockquotes: if there's an internal line break, the later paragraphs aren't rendered as quotes.
      • Another glaring transient bug: a whole page (this one) somehow got pasted into the journal...not at all sure how that happened.
      • Minor interaction bug. Type ( Marvin Minsky ) (or whatever – after typing the closing ]], you wind up with cursor beyond the ). Annoying and weird.
      • Cmd-Z Undo is unreliable; doesn't behave consistently around things like new block creation. Very bad for basic feel.
      • Really bad bug: when you get the db/disk out of sync dialog and select disk, it doesn't seem to work!
      • Presentation mode seems broken (hard to see how it maps things to Reveal styles)
      • foo

    • Misfeatures

      • Can't give graphs a name, they use the name of the directory...small annoyance
      • shows a stupid Properties block on every page....
      • Can't get current journal in sidebar, which is what I want...shift-click on left sidebar links should do it (sometimes this works, sometimes not? Seems to work better if right sidebar is closed?
      • Missing Print and/or a decent page export (that can go to GDocs with formatting)
    • Features needed

      • Should be possible to specify a home page for a graph, rather than always opening to today's journal.
    • Actual good points

      • deals smoothly (more or less) with multiple graphs (relative to Athens)
      • ooh holding down shift while over a link gives you a preview! Sweet!
      • Block includes seem to be fully Roam-like, not even sure how that works.
      • OK if you use the electron app and point to a git repo it does autosave for you.
from Paste Markdown Link
  • A Roam hack for MacOS that lets you conveniently paste a browser link into Roam, Logseq, or other Markdown-syntax editor.
from my writing and publishing stack
  • Unfortunately the company behind Roam demonstrated that it was too flakey to rely on, so I felt a need to switch to one of the many open source Roam-like systems that have sprung up, setting on Logseq as the closest match to my needs.


30 Oct 2021 02:15 - 22 Jul 2022 07:49
Open in Logseq
    • Logseq is an open-source alternative to Roam, and I'm in the process of switching over to it from Roam.
    • My main reason for switching is that Roam seems to be run by crazy people, so I don't want to give them money any more, and I don't trust them with my data. But Logseq has some other advantages (and disadvantages), discussed below although this is in no way a complete list.
    • Good points

      • Major
        • Local storage of graphs, rather than trusting them to the cloud.
        • Open Source (and in Clojure!) so theoretically hackable
        • Almost every feature of Roam that's important to me is copied
      • Minor
        • Links do popup previews, pretty zippy
        • If you use the app and store your stuff in a git repo, it does automagic backups
    • Bad points

      • [note: it's different kvetching about Logseq than it is for Roam, because it's open source so I could in theory address any of these points myself if I cared to.
      • Also the Logseq authors seem to welcome bug reports and negative feedback, I assume because they are smart enough to know that that is a valuable form of feedback for software builders, open source or otherwise.]
      • Logseq uses markdown files as its backing store (and a Datascript DB internally, like Roam does, but not as the basis of truth). This has some advantages, but it also sort of works against some things that Roam does better, like keeping block-level metadata. As it happens I use the edit-time metadata in Roam a lot, eg to produce the recent changes page which is now kind of useless.
      • Can't have more than one open window. This is a major flaw, and I find it hard to believe Electron won't support multiple windows.
        • Partly can compensate by putting auxiliary pages in the sidebar.
        • FIXED
      • Search is kind of shit (but at least it tells you the page name of a matched block, something Roam never managed to get right).
      • Can't print a page (neither could Roam)
      • Can't copy and paste out of it to GDoc etc (Roam can do this)
      • Can't easily spin out a chunk to a new page (neither could Roam)
        • FIXED there's a plugin, sweet
      • Lacks Roam's easy way to turn Unlinked references into Links (a weird omission)
      • A lot of minor clumsiness with the UI, eg the navigation keys aren't quite what they should be, makes the whole thing feel not as smooth as a tool-for-thought needs to be