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    • AMMDI is an open-notebook hypertext writing experiment, authored by Mike Travers aka @mtraven. It's a work in progress and some parts are more polished than others. Comments welcome! More.
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from Roam
  • I wonder what Ted Nelson thinks of Roam. My take (as a long-ago disciple of his) is that while it's not nearly everything he dreamed of, it is a small step in the right direction at last, after the web and almost everything built on it led us astray. That is to say that it deploys technology to capture and enhance the difficult and subtle processes of real thinking, rather than trampling over them.
from Media Science Heroes
  • Ted Nelson
    • his Dream Machines is especially relevant here; it's basically a catalog of new (in 1974) technologies for thinking and expression.
from About
  • The first is more or less meant to be read like any other document; the other is more like an open notebook project. Parts of it are essay-like but other parts are collections of rough notes or pointers to content that doesn't exist yet. The two parts are somewhat intertwingled (to use a term of Ted Nelson's)
from Lost Visions of the Information Age
  • I suppose Ted Nelson's Xanadu counts; not quite lost though.
from Stewart Brand
  • He was an early influence on me through the Catalog, which I found as a teenager at about the same time I found Ted Nelson's Computer Lib, which shared some of the sixties alternative esthetics.
from Obstinancy
  • Ted Nelson is an example of someone whose obstinacy didn't serve him very well – he stuck to his guns about his vision but as a result couldn't get it built (despite being on the opposite end of the charm spectrum from someone like Stallman)
from Whole Earth Catalog
  • See Stewart Brand. The Catalog was a major early influence on me, particularly in its stance that one could be interested in anything and pursue anything. There was a Whole Earth Bookstore in Evanston, IL where I grew up, which is where I found both the catalog and Ted Nelson's Computer Lib/Dream Machines. When I went off to MIT I managed to fall in with a bunch of Whole Earth-friendly fellow students who were into alternative energy and other alternatives; later I got to actually share an office with SB himself in the early days of the Media Lab.
from Tools for Thought
  • The computer revolution has many different aspects, but the one that always excited me the most was the idea that a computer could be a tool for augmenting human intellectual processes and a new medium for thoughtful communication. I was first bequeathed my share of this vision via Ted Nelson, an early influence.
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Ted Nelson

14 Jan 2021 10:58 - 29 Jan 2022 07:15

    • Ted Nelson is a famous computer visionary, best known for coining the word hypertext. He was not the first person to see the huge potential of computers to enhance human thought, but I certainly learned about that from him – his book Computer Lib ∕ Dream Machines was an early influence.
    • From a thread in 2019?
      • The WWW is 30 years old. Granted that it has remade modern knowledge and created a whole new economy, it has barely scratched the surface of the possibilities @TheTedNelson had in mind when he coined the term ‘hypertext՚.
      • Ted had an enormous influence on me, being the first place I encountered the notion that computational technology could be a vehicle for thought and expression.
      • He was not the only one, or the first, to see the possibilities. Others like Alan Kay, and Seymour Papert, and Doug Engelbart were doing pioneering work about at this time, but they weren՚t self-publishing gloriously ragged books for a young person like me to find prowling around the local scene in Evanston IL in the mid-70s.
    • We have hypertext but it's a far cry from what Ted envisioned. He's got quite a bit of recognition as a tech visionary, but nobody has taken his ideas seriously enough.T hese days Ted has the attitude of someone who has been very patiently trying to get people to see some obvious good things, and has been frustrated at every turn, and running out of time, but is still doing his best to make people wake up.
    • Decent Writing Systems

      • I first got into this as a writer; all I wanted was a decent writing system that would run on a computer. Little did I realize the immensity of what that entailed, or that for some reason my work and approach would engender indignation and anger wherever I went. There is a fiction that everybody in these fields is doing something fundamentally scientific and technical, an d this fiction is usually upheld in carefully enacted mutual playlets. Trying to cut through that and say , "Let's build a home for mankind that will at last be shaped to fit man's mind, " does not seem to generate immediate warmth and welcome.
    • Earlier

      • Thoughts on Ted Nelson (April 2014)
        • Brewster Kahle՚s talk reminded me of another basic way in which the web failed to live up to Nelson՚s dream: whereas the web and other present-day digital technologies are something of a paradise for media consumers, Ted՚s main focus was on the creator, that is, writers and thinkers. He wanted a system that would support writers and generate new forms of writing and discourse; forms that would contribute to the collective intelligence of humanity. That too doesn՚t seem to have happened. Web media seems to favor the trivial and immediate over deeply structured content.
          • This was true when I wrote it but I think Roam is a big step in the right direction.