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  • This site started out by having a collection of linked notes in response to rationalism LWMap/A Map That Reflects the Territory, and these guys are like the polar opposite, they are quite militantly anti-rationalism, that's kind of their thing. Not to oppose reason as such, but certainly its deployment as civilizational ideology
    See Technic and Magic for an elaborately developed theory of evil rationalism (technic) vs its salvific opposite magic.
    , its role in capitalism and the dehumanizing effects of science and modernity. My relationship to both groups is weirdly similar: kind of attracted but also repulsed by certain elements, and writing a bunch of web pages to try to work out where I actually stand.
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  • Several of the essays in LWMap/A Map That Reflects the Territory seem kind of postrationalist, in that they take seriously the importance of modes of thought that are not particularly amenable to reason, like aesthetics and meditation.

LWMap/A Map That Reflects the Territory

08 Mar 2022 - 17 Jun 2023
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    • Introduction

      • The Rationalism community has packaged up some of the best of LessWrong into book form, and when I saw that one of the five focus topics was agency I could not resist asking for a review copy, that being something of a pet subject of mine. Now I have to follow through with a review, and I'm taking the opportunity to also completely rebuild my writing and publishing stack.
      • My relationship to Rationalism is kind of problematic; I basically think they are nice, smart, well-intentioned folks; and while I respect their earnestness and intelligence, their actual ideas, not so much. It's hard to pinpoint exactly where my thinking diverges from theirs; one of the goals of writing this is to uncover those differences. So I will end up doing a lot of carping and criticizing, but with respect and with the goal of trying to articulate my own point of view.
      • Also should note that I am writing this in Roam, which I have not really used before, so this is partly a test drive of a whole new writing and publishing toolchain. The end product will no doubt be hypertextish and/or open-notebook-ish to whatever degree seems appropriate.
        • Eg: In some of the pages I've included a Further reading section; unlike so these are more instructions to myself than a traditional list of citations. This convention emerged during the process of writing in part because Roam makes bidirectional linking ridiculously easy, it's not something I planned out.

    • Aesthetics

      • The first thing to say is that this set of books is very attractively designed. printed, and packaged. Compared to the last free book I got from rationalists, which pretty much screamed "nerds nerding out for other nerds", this seems quite tasteful. I'm not sure if this represents a maturing of the rationalist movement or something else, but it works for me.
      • Focusing on aesthetics might seem a bit shallow in the context of rationalism; that's the kind of stuff they usually disdain. But in fact one of the essays, LWMap/Naming the Nameless, was a critique of this specific practice and a defense of aesthetics and design. This suggests that the community is learning to appreciate the importance of the superficial.
      • In that vein, by far my strongest negative reaction to anything in these books did not come from any of the big ideas, but from a tossed-off aside by Yudkowsky to the effect that he was raised on and is apparently still in thrall to the classic (John Campbell era) science fiction, Asimov and Heinlein and the like, while he finds more contemporary writers like William Gibson somewhere between mystifying and appalling.
      • Everyone is entitled to their own literary taste I suppose, but, sorry: a preference like that indicates an immature mind (at best). Yudkowsky (admirably) has disavowed the strain of political reaction that you can find in the rationalist community, but this sort of reactionary aesthetics is almost as bad.
      • The whole movement is kind of retro in a way that is sometimes appealing but just as often appalling. Peter Sloterdijk labelled rationalists as "the Amish of postmodernism" and it often does seem like an effort to be staunchly and cluelessly devoted to ideas that nobody really takes seriously any more.
      • Of course they and/or the Amish might be right, and clinging to old-fashioned forms of thinking may be the only thing that saves us.

    • Other reviews

      • These are from within the LessWrong website and community; I haven't seen any external reviewers yet.