Goguen, Joseph. 1997. "A Social, Ethical Theory of Information." In Geoffrey C. Bowker, Les Gasser, Susan Leigh Star and William Turner (eds.). Social Science,
Technical Systems and Cooperative Work. Princeton, NJ: L. Erlbaum Associates.
What is the proper notion of a whole? Uh-oh.
Realizing I have an instinctive sneer to all holism-talk. Picked that up at MIT of course. Yet I find myself attracted to it, eg here or with Christopher Alexander. Probably deserves a page of its own.
Distinction and Stability
Definitions are distinctions, so defining them is problematic
Recursion is the CS manifestation
Knots as things that are structurally stable despite deformation. Ouroboros as symbol of closure.
Oh interesting, I think I get it...hard to put it into my own words...he is saying that it is not enough to consider either things (normie) or processes (science and rationality). And while obviously processes form the things, I think he is pointing out that the relationship is bidirectional, and things somehow shape or determine the processes...actually no idea if that is what he means. Never mind.
Another Seminar with Evan Thompson, June 14th, 2021
What is Enaction?
V: I like Borges but prefer Naruda
Bateson never talked down (reminds me of Minsky)
Merleau-Ponty and groundlessness (key term in Embodied book)
Original title was Worlds Without Ground (from dad, William Irwin Thompson)
History of "enaction"
from cognitivism → neural nets → hermeneutic
Maybe borrowed from jerome bruner?
Book "created a conversational space"
He doesn't like "enactivism". They never used it, just "the enactive approach".
Managed to ask a question:
Around the same time The Embodied Mind came out, there was a strain of work on Heideggerian artificial intelligence which was very much in the same spirit…I wonder if you were aware of this work (then or later) and have any thoughts about it? (Terry Winograd, Phil Agre, David Chapman were some of the people in this field)
Ooh I had to read it and the answer was yes, esp Terry Winograd, but he knew about all of them, incl Rod Brooks
Walter Freeman "opened up the bandpass filters"
Asked about PP, cites Hemholts (but that is more representational).